Max% No Powerbombs analysis - Revision history

Bobbob: decided to stop being lazy and test rta ice moonfall to ws reserve.

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decided to stop being lazy and test rta ice moonfall to ws reserve.

Bobbob: bfrobber tested ws reserve escape, so small update to min pbs

2023-12-03T20:28:11Z

bfrobber tested ws reserve escape, so small update to min pbs

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Bobbob: adding a section about beating the game with least number of power bombs used, with maximum percentage

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Max%-No-Powerbombs analysis (inbounds, without SpaceTime-beam): (last update: 05.10.2017; Moonfall opens up 2 Etecoon area items, and Freeze-Walk in Blue Brinstar allows for the 2 top Missiles)

PAL and NTSC (due to Taco´s NTSC left-side GGG): 75%.

The items that can be collected with tool-assisted superplay are:

Ball, Bombs, Charge, Ice, Wave, Spazer, Plasma, HighJump, Speedbooster, SpaceJump, Varia, Gravity, Grapple, Brinstar-R-Tank, Norfair-R-Tank, Maridia-R.-Tank, 1.Missiles, Blue-Brinstar-E-Tank-Missile, left Top-Blue-Brinstar-Missile, right Top-Blue-Brinstar-Missile, left Gauntlet-Missile, right Gauntlet-Missile, bomb-block-tunnel-Crateria-Missile, Crateria-shaft-Missile, early-SuperMissile-Missile, left Brinstar-R.-Tank-Missile, right Brinstar-R.-Tank-Missile, upper Charge-room-Missile, lower Charge-room-Missile, Brinstar-blue-gate-Missile, HighJump-Missile, upper Norfair-path-Missile, Bubble-Room-Missile, Norfair-pre-R.-Tank-room-Missile, Norfair-R.-Tank-Missile, Speedbooster-Missile, Wave-Missile, Crocomire-shaft-Missile, Grapple-Missile, Crocomire-return-path-Missile, left Norfair-Missile, left Maridia-Beach-Missile, right Maridia-Beach-Missile, Maridia-R.-Tank-Missile, Maridia-Powerbomb-Missile, Maridia-shaft-Missile, Turtle-Missile, Snail-Room-Missile, Draygon-Missile, Lake-Missile, upper Ocean-Missile, middle Ocean-Missile, lower Ocean-Missile, WS-R.-Tank-Missile, WS-shaft-Missile, right WS-Missile, early SuperMissile, SporeSpawn-SuperMissile, Maridia-Beach-SuperMissile, Maridia-shaft-SuperMissile, Snail-Room-SuperMissile, left WS-SuperMissile, right WS-SuperMissile, Etecoon-SuperMissile, Blue-Brinstar-E-Tank, Gauntlet-E.-Tank, Crateria-mushroom-path-E.-Tank, Kraid-E.-Tank, HighJump-E.-Tank, Crocomire-E.-Tank, right Charge-room-E.-Tank, Turtle-E.-Tank, WS-E.-Tank, Botwoon-E.-Tank, Etecoon-E.-Tank.

Items that cannot be collected: All 10 powerbomb packs, X-Ray (due to powerbomb door and pb block wall), Springball (due to pb block wall), early PB-Missile (behind a pb block wall in Red Brinstar), Kraid-Missile (behind a pb block wall), GT-Missile, GT-SuperMissile, ScrewAttack, Mickey-Mouse-Missile, Ridley-E.-Tank, Fireflea-E.-Tank, 1st-LNF-Exit-Missile, 2nd-LNF-Exit-Missile (Lower Norfair items are blocked off), WS-R.-Tank, Waterway-E.-Tank (behind a pb block), Crateria-SuperMissile.

For humans, 74% should be the feasible maximum in PAL (with the right Charge-room-E.-Tank remaining), and 72% in NTSC (because of the Etecoon-floor clip).

(Incomplete) demonstration videos for the PAL case:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyIfiSHc9Dg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyIfiSHc9Dg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi2rVhhGx9w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi2rVhhGx9w

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 === Max% No Powerbombs analysis (last update: 02.12.2023) ===
-The maximum for PAL and NTSC is:  80% (RTA proven), or 82% (TAS conditions). This can be increased by 1 if it is allowed for Samus to be softlocked at the end (with two different options for TAS).
+The maximum for PAL and NTSC is:  80% (RTA proven), or 82% (TAS conditions). This can be increased by 1 if it is allowed for Samus to be softlocked at the end (with two different options).
 This count excludes power bomb packs. If power bomb packs are allowed, this adds seven items under PAL or TAS conditions:  Under RTA conditions on NTSC, two of these power bomb packs are a softlock. These data lead to the following totals:
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 * [[List of Missiles#Wrecked Ship 2|Attic Missiles]]
-Via some ice moonfall shenangians, one can carry vertical fall speed into the top of [[Bowling Alley]] and fall on top of the Reserve. However, escape is impossible. To my knowledge, this has not been replicated RTA, although there is no reason why it couldn't be.
+Via some ice moonfall shenangians, one can carry vertical fall speed into the top of [[Bowling Alley]] and fall on top of the Reserve. However, escape is impossible.
-* [[List of Reserve Tanks#Wrecked Ship|Wrecked Ship Reserve]] (Softlock, TAS)
+* [[List of Reserve Tanks#Wrecked Ship|Wrecked Ship Reserve]] (Softlock)
 == Maridia: ==
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 * [[List of Energy Tanks#Brinstar 5|Waterway Energy Tank]]:  Although a Grapple supersink can be used to get past the power bomb block on the way in, there is no method to get out without power bombs.
-* [[List of Reserve Tanks#Wrecked Ship|Wrecked Ship Reserve]]:  Although an ice moonfall may be performed in Attic and a slopekiller allows carrying this to then fall onto the Reserve Tank from above, escaping requires power bombs. Note this has not been replicated RTA (to my knowledge at the time of writing this), but there is no reason it shouldn't be possible.
+* [[List of Reserve Tanks#Wrecked Ship|Wrecked Ship Reserve]]:  Although ice moonfall shenanigans may be performed to fall onto the Reserve Tank from above, escaping requires power bombs.
 ==Beating the game with minimal power bombs==
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 * Crateria Power Bombs:  Using a very deep stuck, achieved with momentum mirroring with Speed Booster. This would be quite difficult RTA.
 * Golden Torizo Missiles (RTA):  With X-Ray, the GT superjump could be done RTA.
 Additionally, Alpha and Beta Power Bombs would no longer be a softlock under RTA conditions on NTSC.
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 But assuming the analysis to be correct, this increases the percentage to:
-* 92% (RTA);
+* 93% (RTA);
 * 94% (TAS).
 == For players without tool-assistance, 72% currently is the current best achieved as a run, where PAL was used. With recent setups, the same is possible in NTSC, although it would be considerably more difficult. ==
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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IrTCLSmkTs
-== TODO: Creation of a demonstration movie file for (1) in the PAL case, and for (2) in NTSC and PAL case. ==
+== TODO: Creation of a demonstration(s) for (1) TAS case, and for (2) RTA case. ==

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 * Crateria Power Bombs:  Using a very deep stuck, achieved with momentum mirroring with Speed Booster. This would be quite difficult RTA.
 Additionally, Alpha and Beta Power Bombs would no longer be a softlock under RTA conditions on NTSC.
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 * Kraid Missiles:  Can these be collected? I have tried G-mode stuff to no avail, but maybe I missed something.
 * Wasteland statue:  Can this be passed by going upwards on TAS, e.g., with moonjump shenanigans? The ceiling is 3 tiles thick, so I suspect it cannot.
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 But assuming the analysis to be correct, this increases the percentage to:
-* 91% (RTA);
+* 92% (RTA);
-* 93% (TAS).
+* 94% (TAS).
 == For players without tool-assistance, 72% currently is the current best achieved as a run, where PAL was used. With recent setups, the same is possible in NTSC, although it would be considerably more difficult. ==

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−	=== Max%-No-Powerbombs analysis ~~(inbounds, without Spazer+Plasma beam combinations):~~ (last update: 02.12.2023) ===	+	First, note this page is about no major glitches conditions.
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		+	=== Max% No Powerbombs analysis (last update: 02.12.2023) ===

	The maximum for PAL and NTSC is: 80% (RTA proven), or 82% (TAS conditions). This can be increased by 1 if it is allowed for Samus to be softlocked at the end (with two different options for TAS).		The maximum for PAL and NTSC is: 80% (RTA proven), or 82% (TAS conditions). This can be increased by 1 if it is allowed for Samus to be softlocked at the end (with two different options for TAS).

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 * [[List of Energy Tanks#Norfair 4|Ridley Energy Tank]] (because of the yellow door shell on the way down to Ridley's lair and the powerbomb block statue in the room before the Ninja-Pirates)
-* [[List of Super Missiles#Crateria|Crateria Supers]] (because of a yellow and a grey door blocking the room off, and X-Ray-Climb not being an option without X-Ray)
+* [[List of Super Missiles#Crateria|Crateria Supers]] (because of a yellow and a grey door blocking the room off)
 * [[List of Missiles#Brinstar 11|Missiles behind Alpha Power Bombs]] (since it is behind a powerbomb block wall in Red Brinstar)
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 * [[List of Reserve Tanks#Wrecked Ship|Wrecked Ship Reserve]]:  Although an ice moonfall may be performed in Attic and a slopekiller allows carrying this to then fall onto the Reserve Tank from above, escaping requires power bombs. Note this has not been replicated RTA (to my knowledge at the time of writing this), but there is no reason it shouldn't be possible.
 == For players without tool-assistance, 72% currently is the current best achieved as a run, where PAL was used. With recent setups, the same is possible in NTSC, although it would be considerably more difficult. ==

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 * GT-Missile (because the Spacejump-statue is blocked off by a powerbomb block wall and no Moondance can be initiated to clip past the tunnel-block in the acid, and no Crystal Flash can be executed and no Superjumps can be done without X-Ray)
-== For players without tool-assistance, 72% currently is the achieved best in PAL and should be the maximum; and for NTSC, the maximum should be 45% by subtracting all the items from the list that were labelled ''(probably TAS-only in the NTSC case)'' from the collectible items in the PAL case without those that were labelled ''(probably TAS-only)''. ==
+== For players without tool-assistance, 72% currently is the achieved best in PAL and should be the maximum; and for NTSC, the maximum should be 45% by subtracting all the items from the list that were labelled ''probably TAS-only in the NTSC case'' from the collectible items in the PAL case without those that were labelled ''probably TAS-only''. ==
 Demonstration videos for the PAL case with 72 collected items:

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 * GT-Missile (because the Spacejump-statue is blocked off by a powerbomb block wall and no Moondance can be initiated to clip past the tunnel-block in the acid, and no Crystal Flash can be executed and no Superjumps can be done without X-Ray)
-== For players without tool-assistance, 70% currently is the achieved maximum in PAL, but 72% should be possible by adding Etecoon-E.-Tank and Etecoon-SuperMissiles; and for NTSC, the maximum should be 45% by subtracting all the items from the list that were labelled ''(probably TAS-only in the NTSC case)'' from the collectible items in the PAL case without those that were labelled ''(probably TAS-only)''. ==
+== For players without tool-assistance, 72% currently is the achieved best in PAL and should be the maximum; and for NTSC, the maximum should be 45% by subtracting all the items from the list that were labelled ''(probably TAS-only in the NTSC case)'' from the collectible items in the PAL case without those that were labelled ''(probably TAS-only)''. ==
-Demonstration videos for the PAL case with 70 collected items (the current best):
+Demonstration videos for the PAL case with 72 collected items:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyIfiSHc9Dg
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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi2rVhhGx9w
-== TODO: Creation of a demonstration movie file for (1) in the PAL case, and for (2) in NTSC and PAL case, and finishing the PAL demonstration by adding 2 more items without tool-assistance. ==
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IrTCLSmkTs